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[bektas]

Hi All,

Recently in a friendly conversation I was chatting about the green field how it can be utilized better. Along in the conversation I said  that there might be a small outdoor cafe that can be opened which people around would use. This was one of my friends idea which he was thinking about it. I also liked the idea and shared this in the conversation.

Now , I dont know how this conversation turned into a bar is opening up on that green field.
There can not be a building with a foundation in that place. Also if council decides to rent it out, they would rent it out.

If any of the complex wants to rent it out, its residents choice. Like we did with the painting in CV1, we would collect the money for rent, garden supplies etc and rent it.  I dont know much the rent is as I didnt ask it. However when you rent it you can not make it a private place. Anyone will have access to that area of whatever you do as that area considered a public area. It can not be walled , secured etc. 

Let me know how many of you in each complex would rent it. It will require majority in both complexes for a shared rent,gardening,maintenance etc.

Bulent Bektas

[robinson]

 

Now , I dont know how this conversation turned into a bar is opening up on that green field.
There can not be a building with a foundation in that place. Also if council decides to rent it out, they would rent it out.

If any of the complex wants to rent it out, its residents choice. Like we did with the painting in CV1, we would collect the money for rent, garden supplies etc and rent it.  I dont know much the rent is as I didnt ask it. However when you rent it you can not make it a private place. Anyone will have access to that area of whatever you do as that area considered a public area. It can not be walled , secured etc. 

Let me know how many of you in each complex would rent it. It will require majority in both complexes for a shared rent,gardening,maintenance etc.

Bulent Bektas

I cannot understand why anyone would want to pay rent and garden maintenance for a public area, I just don`t  get it?

                                   Carol.

[andysue]

I agree with you Carol why would we do that? but I think what Bulent is getting at is that this would stop anybody else from renting the land to put a shed in it making it into a cafe bar.
I am not saying there will be a cafe bar on the land but if it was to open I would not be happy, even though the noise and smell would not affect me directly it would affect the people towards the end of Cornellia 1&2 dramatically.
I dont think anybody in their right minds would open a cafe bar between the complexes it just would not make sense I don't think there would not be enough custom to keep it going, the position is too remote and not enough people from Cornellia 1&2 would use it. Whether residents rented the land to put a cafe bar or just to have it as garden area would cost us an awful lot of money to set up and maintain.

So if it comes to a vote ours will be a no to renting.

[bektas]

I added the rent option as it has it has been suggested to me that I should ask residents this opt?ion so maybe they would like to rent the place for themselves as Andy reasoned. However the idea was to wall it so it could be private which can not be.

Another option could be ;

We can collect money from both complexes to fill the place trees, bushes etc so it cant be used for something else later and it would look like a small forest.

This is just another idea.

Bulent Bektas

[Neil Poutch]

Cant see anyone setting up a cafe between the complexes,just wouldnt make sense.So it seems like we've been asked the question :Do we want to pay to turn it into an area of greenery or leave it the eyesore that it is?In other words do the council's job for them.Cant help but think we'll all grow very old waiting for the council to sort it out (judging by the road or lack of, out front).No harm in finding out how much it would cost I guess.

[mooney]

Hello All
There is for and against renting this piece of land.
1-The piece of property is too small and too far from everywhere and not a lot of residents of Cv1 or Cv2 would use any cafe or bar if it was there.I would be against a bar or cafe there anyway.
2-The council do not seem to be interested in doing anything about the land,even starting the roads.
3-If the rent was minimal (I meen a tiny sum) I would be willing to pay it so as to prevent anybody from doing anything at all with that piece of land, then maybe we could plant native Turkish trees which we could pick up at no charge and plant them on either side of the outside wall of Cv1 and Cv2.
4-The one thing I have learned about Turkey is, that things change all the time and you never know what they are going to do next.

Regards John and Maria

[sampson]

As you say john if the rent was very minimal it might be worth considering but we need to know cost first and agreement of the rest of CV1 - CV2 or maybe  the people who have apartments which are adjacent to the peice of land between CV1 -CV2 would be willing to share cost . if it was cheap enough we would be willing to chip in .

[mccormacks]

Hi all
We agree that the land between CV1& 2 would be best as a green area,this would add value to our investments and probably,repay any money spent on plants ect                                                     

Mccormacks

[towner]

We agree with Carol, Andy and Sue we cannot understand why anyone would consider paying rent and garden maintenance for a public area.  Once inside the complex - we are happy with our own small piece of Paradise and do not feel it our responsibility for the surrounding area. We think the adjoining land is too small for any future development and will most probably become a road or pathway between the complexes.

June and Mark CV2 D3

[piercy]

 Hi all,
          We too agree why would anyone would want to spend money on this?
You should see my garden in the uk

[nigel&karen-toulson]

Everyone is saying it would not be viable to open a café bar there, I think they could be wrong
1 There are a lot of people that walk past CV2 and 1 and there are a lot of people that use the short cut between the two complexes, the road past the CV2 is getting busier as new properties are being built.
2 More importantly as it is a green field the rent will I presume be very cheap compared to renting a shop on Marina road. The build cost of a portable bar will be next to nothing.
So you have the possible trade, very little start up costs, very low running costs, where would you open a bar?
People have also said it is too small, if you measure the pink building on Marina road nearest to CV1 that will fit in the green space. I know you can’t build on it now but who knows in the future things, are always changing in Turkey

When we were over in June I was asked by a few people about the bar Bulent was opening between CV1 and 2, I rang Bulent he said it was not him that was opening it, it was a friend of his. He also stated that it would open in 2010
We chose our apartment because of the green field knowing it would be quiet, so obviously we are against a bar opening there due to the noise it will generate.
If renting the field is an option to prevent the bar then Karen and I will be 100% behind it.

[mooney]

I think Nigel Toulson(above) has hit the nail on the head.
The cost of running a  bar/cafe between Cornellia 1 and 2 would be minimal compare to the disruption it would incur.
If we want a quiet place at night, then, a bar/cafe is the last thing we need between Cornellia 1 and 2

[kirkwood]

Not used forum for a while, just logged on to find very disturbing news about a cafe/bar opening by what I thought where upmarket apartments!  John's idea of local trees sounds best.  I don't want our apartments to become like the local sea front.  If I wanted downmarket I would have gone for the cheap and cheerful price.  Instead I spent agonising months searching for the tranquility that we have at present!  Trees or boycott I say!

Pauline & Robbie

[nigel&karen-toulson]

There has been a lot of posts regarding this issue and it very clear that everyone is against the bar, however as I said in my post when I spoke to Bulent he said his friend was opening it in 2010. Can Bulent please confirm that this is or is not the case, if he has decided not to open, can he please indicate the price to rent the land so we can prevent it happening. The one thing that still puzzles me is that Bulent has stated that if we rent the land then we still have to give public access and we can not build a wall. If someone opens a bar then that will be a private area on the land without public access what is the difference??

[bektas]

Let me get things clear here,

First of all I never said my friend is opening a bar in that field in 2010. It was a friendly conversation between some people and I mentioned about a cafe idea of my friend's between the 2 complexes. I never stated a fully functional bar.

Second, I dont have any intention opening up anything between that field and not even slightly interested.

There is nothing to be puzzled about, if there was to ever gonna be a cafe, it has to be a public place where anybody can go. You can not wall, fence or cover it in anyways legally. Maybe you know the place at the Dolphins Square, where people sit , drink tea etc, its like a small park.

I am highly sure that no one will be interested in that piece to do anything on it in the near future. I have just arrived back from abroad, when I see the guy who is responsible of parks, I will ask if that piece is for rent.